tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post2108567173166894731..comments2024-02-23T05:30:09.698-05:00Comments on Cloverfield Clues: Cloverfield Is Dead? Long Live Cloverfield!Dennishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05071751415790930551noreply@blogger.comBlogger84125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-90212837852603754242011-03-26T16:57:04.008-04:002011-03-26T16:57:04.008-04:00First "Clover" is an alien not something...First "Clover" is an alien not something from the ocean. I do not think "Clover" is dead because at the end of the credits you can hear a stat icy radio transition saying "It's still alive" meaning that "Clover" is not dead. I think "Clover" came from another solar system fairly close to ours and a huge asteroid hit the planet. When it hit, "Clover" was on the opposite side of the planet shooting him of the surface into space. So he is probably the last of his kind, unless "Clovers’" mother survived, too. So if "Clover" did die his mother would come and kick military ass. If "Clover" didn't die a different monster would come and "Clover" would fight the new monster. As for the picture of this dead thing it is not "Clover". If you were to bring it up to full size you would see bite marks on it, It's not like "Clover" ate him self to death, and this thing is on a beach there are no beaches in New York City. So what ever it is it is not "Clover". Another thing, the reason the movie is called "Cloverfield" is because New York was where he made his first appearance to the world. Also the monster is named "Clover" because when those things on the sides if his head puff up his face looks like a big clover. I know that "Clover" is an alien because right before the credits when Rob and Beth are at an amusement park you can see "Clover" falling into the ocean off the coast of NY. If you don't believe me watch the movie (:Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08383734688002009641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-22683415558510464432008-06-09T08:12:00.000-04:002008-06-09T08:12:00.000-04:00Has anyone put forward that maybe were looking at ...Has anyone put forward that maybe were looking at the wrong picture, and that he may be referring to that picture of something in the water getting the s*** blown out of it?Nathan Strifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02580109687853221371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-25103239262431757192008-05-15T18:18:00.000-04:002008-05-15T18:18:00.000-04:00Jesse,if that happened,they'd be saying:He's still...Jesse,if that happened,they'd be saying:He's still alive.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18205364922524700927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-67768177997636164132008-05-13T14:42:00.000-04:002008-05-13T14:42:00.000-04:00i dont know if anyone else said this but maybe the...i dont know if anyone else said this but maybe the "its still alive at the end is some one talking about rob. like they just found something in the rubbel and it starts moving leading to a monsterless sequelJessehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07421499243326515644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-77577413315319963702008-05-13T04:14:00.000-04:002008-05-13T04:14:00.000-04:00Ok, if the second newest picture on 1-18-08 is in ...Ok, if the second newest picture on 1-18-08 is in fact the monster, why the hell would they let people get that close?<BR/><BR/>You're the military, you just killed a giant ass new mutant monster that destroyed ALL OF NEW YORK. Now lets just let civilians (who were evacuated, btw, which makes the dead monster theory even more bogus) float on up and have a look.<BR/><BR/>You're telling me they wouldn't take anything and everything they could find back to a lab somewhere?<BR/><BR/>And seagulls? You're telling me SEAGULLS would be anywhere near an area that just got hit with a bomb big enough to BLOW UP MANHATTAN? <BR/><BR/>They're whales. It even looks like whales. End of arguement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-23122813983983144622008-05-13T03:17:00.000-04:002008-05-13T03:17:00.000-04:00I don't care of any of this.I just want a sequel w...I don't care of any of this.I just want a sequel whether the sequel has a monster or not.All that i want is a sequelsnkbtho2https://www.blogger.com/profile/05249197503993782967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-19510528442116545362008-05-12T12:07:00.000-04:002008-05-12T12:07:00.000-04:00sgtrandolph said... If nothing else, I'm getting a...<B>sgtrandolph said... If nothing else, I'm getting a little tired of watching you guys argue while I sit on the edge of my seat waiting for the next clue.</B><BR/>You know, I’m sitting at the edge of my seat waiting for the next clue as well. To entertain myself, I signed up with Google so I could post as well. Honestly, all this bickering is ruining Cloverfield for me.<BR/><BR/><B>me said... We DON'T know if it has a mother and we don't know if it has barely hatched... all we know is that there is only ONE - say it again ONE - monster at this point! </B><BR/>“Me” – that’s the point of speculation. We take what we know, and try to expand theories, just like a fisherman tosses out his line hoping for the big catch. Sometimes we’re wrong. Sometimes, absurd as a theory may seem, we are right. What else are we going to do in the meantime? Be spoonfed new information without thinking what it may mean for the concept of cloverfield? <BR/><BR/><B>Jester17 said...<BR/>Even if Clover is a baby, the rest of my argument sticks. Why does Clover need a mother? That's just stupid and really destroys the horror of the movie. Then it would just turn into a story about a mother mutant seeking revenge over her dead mutant child. Stupid.<BR/>Derek Brink said...<BR/>Meh...don't care if it's a baby, don't care if it's fully grown...but if the sequel is Baby Clovie's mom seeking revenge...well...I've see "Orca" and...uhh...no thanks. ;) </B><BR/>Not necessarily, Jester and Derek. If there is a mommie out there, it’s unlikely she’ll take ‘revenge’.<BR/>Let’s say that Clovie is perfectly capable of defending itself even as a baby (which we have seen from the movie and how bombs and guns have little effect on it). There are plenty of animals out there (turtles, spiders, etc) who are born ‘knowing’ what to do – get to the ocean, build a web, etc. There would be no need to turn to mommie for help. And mommie, if she did come up at some point, wouldn’t be ‘seeking revenge’ – she’s an animal! Revenge is a human concept. Animals eat, sleep, breed, die. End of story. Then again, some animals will become ‘enraged’ when they’re trying to protect their child, but it’s not revenge.<BR/>If mommie came up, she’d likely do the same thing that baby did – wonder where she was and attack those things that attack back. Except it would be on a grander scale, and likely the military wouldn’t defeat her before she escaped the city and began destroying the rest of the USA. <BR/>You know, if all you guys want is to see some great monster destroying a city (eye candy), a bigger clovie whose even more immune to bombs may be just the thing you’re looking for.<BR/><BR/>Sadclown – I like your theory :)<BR/><BR/>I have one last argument for the “Clovie is a Baby” theory. I’d like to once again bring up a Neville Page quote. If you don’t remember, Page was the lead creature designer; he designed Cloverfield so that every single part meant something. (The fact that every inch of the monster has some purpose is mentioned on the DVD – I think in “I Saw It! It’s alive! It’s huge!”).<BR/><I>The monster looks ungainly and J.J. Abrams has said in the press notes that it's a "baby". Was that also part of the design? For it to look a bit clumsy?<BR/>I would have preferred that it be even clumsier. But then it can get comical. Yes, it was the intention that it is a baby and it is not only developing its strength, but also its land legs. The proportions are intended to feel a little like a new born deer or horse. Long, thin and slightly awkward.</I><BR/>(http://io9.com/357856/io9-talks-to-cloverfield-monster-designer-neville-page)<BR/>Let’s just say for a moment that the Baby is a Metaphor is true. This means that Page, who has a good purpose for everything in the creatures design (down to how the lungs work), is saying “I wanted it to look clumsy, <B>like a newborn horse or deer with awkward proportions</B>, because it is new on land.” Or – “I wanted to show it developing its strength and land legs, <B>with its long, thin and slightly legs</B>, because it’s a metaphor for the birth of a legend.” <BR/>I’m sorry, but both sound absurd. But maybe I’m wrong. Or maybe Clovie is a real baby.Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10365719250989089275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-57700844281670109232008-05-12T05:59:00.000-04:002008-05-12T05:59:00.000-04:00I haven't been in this discussion, but from what I...I haven't been in this discussion, but from what I've seen, it's not over analyzing, but being overly repetitive and critical. Everyone's said the same things over and over, with a few good ideas here and there. Let's not keep focusing on what's right or wrong, but what could be. <BR/>Remember, JJ says they don't even know what they're doing for the sequel (so he says), because they're waiting for the best idea to come along. There are many good ideas, other video from the night, the mother coming to town, and of course the explanation of all the ARG and Kishin magna! <BR/><BR/>One idea I had personally, which I think would be very intense, is of the monsters progression, through multiple cameras and stories. The videos could connect later in the movie, but that would be traditional. A more intense version would have each video story, end with the monster killing the filmer. Then the video would start again from another camera, at around the same time, putting the sequence of the night in order, from many different perspectives, creating a kind of home movie of the event, from all the best available footage.<BR/><BR/>The mother sequel theory doesn't have to be as simple and stupid as some of you say. What if she was being controlled by that guy in the Kishin Magna, after the baby already escaped captivity. This could mean she was already on her way, and will discover the dead child, only making her more angry and scary. <BR/><BR/>During the helicopter shot in the movie, I realized how small clover seemed compared to the city. What if there was a mother that was much taller than any building in the city, now that would be a monster movie!Ddogghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01479119474901685510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-34383946052737909442008-05-12T00:27:00.000-04:002008-05-12T00:27:00.000-04:00Man, I could really see this being the end for now...Man, I could really see this being the end for now ... until they figure out which way they may or may not go with a sequel ... too many unanswered questions ... it's really gonna tick me off ...<BR/><BR/>And you're right ... this baby thing is a dead horse ...sgtrandolphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13879208953710278037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-24792478784884372252008-05-11T23:49:00.000-04:002008-05-11T23:49:00.000-04:00I get the sense that JJ said the "baby" thing and ...I get the sense that JJ said the "baby" thing and then they were suddenly stuck with it, so they ran with it. We're all WAY over-analyzing it.Derek Brinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06920349017837420761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-61725554775904719972008-05-11T18:34:00.000-04:002008-05-11T18:34:00.000-04:00The whole "It's a baby" thing doesn't make a whole...The whole "It's a baby" thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Didn't JJ also say that the monster had been under the ocean for 10,000 + years. To me that seems like a long time to be a baby, but maybe he meant the race of monsters.RyanChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06314235620093590004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-84884992441049438372008-05-11T18:28:00.000-04:002008-05-11T18:28:00.000-04:00Ok...a bit new to all this stuff, but I was readin...Ok...a bit new to all this stuff, but I was reading the whole baby mother thing and this is my question.<BR/><BR/>I remember reading the possibility of baby clover could of been a sea creature that had some Kaitei no mitsu and turned into the monster. So...isn't it possible that the tagruato company with all of their scientists and what not were experimenting with Kaitei no mitsu and created baby clover? If this is the case, then baby clover could be the only one. Hence being a tad bigger than he would of naturally been he goes off searching for his mother. In reality he is baby clover. This leaves the possibility of him having a mother, but she is still the normal size. <BR/><BR/>Another possibility is that both the baby and the mother were experimented on. That there is a giant mother out there and she will eventually be pissed off because of the death of her baby son.<BR/><BR/>These are just some theories and I admit that they could be completely wrong...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-4746002659747340062008-05-11T15:55:00.000-04:002008-05-11T15:55:00.000-04:00Oh...also, I find anything to do with Mel's post. ...Oh...also, I find anything to do with Mel's post. Link, anyone?Derek Brinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06920349017837420761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-46548353356066738132008-05-11T15:54:00.000-04:002008-05-11T15:54:00.000-04:00Meh...don't care if it's a baby, don't care if it'...Meh...don't care if it's a baby, don't care if it's fully grown...but if the sequel is Baby Clovie's mom seeking revenge...well...I've see "Orca" and...uhh...no thanks. ;)Derek Brinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06920349017837420761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-69226018264597428812008-05-11T06:35:00.000-04:002008-05-11T06:35:00.000-04:00@griffin - *claps* Bravo. I agree completely. I...@griffin - *claps* Bravo. I agree completely. I don't understand why people will take these random things and completely warp their intended meaning. If JJ said he's a baby, then he's a baby, why's that so hard?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08807540876820093628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-14118251256019050122008-05-11T01:57:00.000-04:002008-05-11T01:57:00.000-04:00CS1503i googled the fake permission denied form, a...CS1503<BR/><BR/>i googled the fake permission denied form, after i did that i got a link w/ 1.18.2006 so i clicked it, bunches of dates came up with .cs files, i think ppl should check it out.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07035936840440186265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-72999363553783551942008-05-10T20:29:00.000-04:002008-05-10T20:29:00.000-04:00I have two theories. 1.The green night-vision pict...I have two theories. 1.The green night-vision pictures.That could've been the hammer-down in affect.Those whales could've washed up sometime earlier and would've been tall, wet and gruesomes lunch, keeping in mind the pictures wern't released in cronological order. 2.Less belevable whales on beach were a failed attemp on clovers life and they were bombing the whales. Leaving clover to heal.sillentskillshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238551986512854816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-7185430724505460452008-05-10T20:23:00.000-04:002008-05-10T20:23:00.000-04:00Quite often in literature, the literal truth is no...Quite often in literature, the literal truth is not what you should really be focused on. Such is the same with the "baby" reference with Clover. Quite frankly, I could care less if it is or isn't a baby, and the argument here has gone beyond old. I find my answers to these immortal questions within the production notes ... I apply these answers to find the hidden truth to try to give light to it's true nature.<BR/><BR/>We can say Clover is LIKE a baby in how it stomped and stumbled through the big apple ... it's scared, annoyed, in pain, hungry ... choose your visual metaphor. We can say Clover IS a baby in that it is the birth (as I am certain JJ hopes) of a new legendary movie monster. I think this more than anything is his intent in presenting Clover as a child, a newborn.<BR/><BR/>“In the same way that ’Godzilla’ was about the anxiety of the nuclear age, and the atomic bomb and Hiroshima, the monster in ‘Cloverfield’ is a metaphor for our times and being able to find a way to approach those feelings without diminishing or exploiting them.” – Matt Reeves, Director, “Cloverfield” <BR/><BR/>Clover is the child of a new era. Much as TIDOWave may represent an extremist terrorist organization, perhaps not as infamous as some from today. Tagruato may represent the coorporations that seem to tighten their control of our daily lives ... I'm sure if we look at all the pieces in this light, we can probably see a lot of other similar possibilities that mirror our own world. These are the things I think we SHOULD be focusing on, not where Clover's wayward parents may or may not be ... I think that's where our answers will lie.<BR/><BR/>SO ... I propose that we end this silly and pointless debate ... there are clues that we are overlooking ...<BR/><BR/>"The nature of new, previously unforeseen threats to our way of life, has led to a new breed of monster movie that reflects not only the uncertainty of our era, but our sense of powerlessness in the face of such daunting obstacles."<BR/><BR/>So ... quit arguing, pick up a paper and become a student of current events. If we have the pulse of the world, this figuring out what exactly Clover is thing is gonna get a lot easier.<BR/><BR/>Just a thought.<BR/><BR/>If nothing else, I'm getting a little tired of watching you guys argue while I sit on the edge of my seat waiting for the next clue. It's killing my buzz.sgtrandolphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13879208953710278037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-11429829202865940072008-05-10T17:28:00.000-04:002008-05-10T17:28:00.000-04:00he could totally be telling the truth.. its suppos...he could totally be telling the truth.. its supposed to be a 'baby' clover right? so that means there is a mom and/or dad (depending on if the creature is manmade or not).. all the reason for them to go on a chaotic rampage. the unclear timeframes make it interesting since cloverfield the movie doesnt take place til 09. so many possibilities it hurts...fr33thoughthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15001090258610660508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-25555029949351701012008-05-10T15:38:00.000-04:002008-05-10T15:38:00.000-04:00The funny thing is that all of you are arguing ove...The funny thing is that all of you are arguing over conjecture!!! LMAO!!! no one knows the back story to cloverfield yet all of you are wasting energy over stuff that only neville, jj, and matt know. I say put it to rest already... so we know that ultimately clover will die. We DON'T know if it has a mother and we don't know if it has barely hatched... all we know is that there is only ONE - say it again ONE - monster at this point!<BR/><BR/>This is worse than the it's a lion debacle...mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16496753009505295384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-65309183234442242372008-05-10T14:46:00.000-04:002008-05-10T14:46:00.000-04:00Thank you griffin this ismuch better a visualisati...Thank you griffin this ismuch better a visualisation now then before!Fractaljinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01418025040093271717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-54455138029106087332008-05-10T13:51:00.000-04:002008-05-10T13:51:00.000-04:00Not to bring this argument to life again, jester17...Not to bring this argument to life again, jester17, but JJ did, in fact, state that Clovie is a baby. Go read the production notes with your own eyes. It's on page 15, under "Building a Better Monster". Note that NOWHERE does ANY ONE state the monster is LIKE a baby.<BR/><BR/>In fact, if any of you can show a reliable source with JJ, Reeves, or Page (producer/creator, director, or lead creature designer, respectively) stating that Clovie is 'like' a baby, why don't you bring it up? Because all the quotes I've seen from these three state "He's a baby" - NOT he's "like a baby." The fact that he's a baby is even crucial to his design (I point you again to a Neville Page interview - kindly remember that he's the lead creature designer, so don't take his quotes lightly: (http://io9.com/357856/io9-talks-to-cloverfield-monster-designer-neville-page) .<BR/><BR/><BR/>Why can't anyone take evidence at face value? If all three of these people say that Clovie's a baby, then he's a baby. And this will probably play into some future sequel. If you don't like it, go create your own monster movie and stop complaining about how 'such-and-such' plot would 'ruin' Cloverfield. If done right, JJ and the others could make it work. If they don't do it right, it'll flop and everyone can get on with their lives. <BR/><BR/>Sorry if I seem rude, but I'm tired of all this useless bickering. Why can't anyone take what these three reliable sources have said? Where do they say 'like'? Maybe I'd be more prone to believe you if you could bring up a quote like that. After all, all reliable sources do indeed say "he's a baby".<BR/><BR/>Fractaljinn: it's possible that the mother wouldn't be very big compared to the Clovie of the movie. Everyone seems to think in terms of human baby-to-adult proportions, but the lead creature designer, Neville Page, stated that the baby is more like a horse or deer:<BR/><I>The monster looks ungainly and J.J. Abrams has said in the press notes that it's a "baby". Was that also part of the design? For it to look a bit clumsy?<BR/>I would have preferred that it be even clumsier. But then it can get comical. Yes, it was the intention that it is a baby and it is not only developing its strength, but also its land legs. The proportions are intended to feel a little like a new born deer or horse. Long, thin and slightly awkward.</I><BR/>(http://io9.com/357856/io9-talks-to-cloverfield-monster-designer-neville-page) <BR/>Have you seen a baby horse? It's almost as tall as it will be in adulthood, with awkward legs and awkward gait (note that Clovie in the movie is described in the above interview as 'clumsy'). <BR/><BR/>Here's a picture of a mother and foal - the younger horse is still considered a 'baby'. Note that his legs are the same height as his mother's, and that he only has a little more growing to do to reach her height. (http://www.americazoo.com/kids/graphics/horse2.jpg)<BR/><BR/>Since Page used a horse as one of his examples, it's entirely possible that Clovies grow in a similar way. That they're born nearly as tall as their mothers, and their legs grow thicker and their bodies slightly larger.Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10365719250989089275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-84843317419463879062008-05-10T09:13:00.000-04:002008-05-10T09:13:00.000-04:00Wait! if Clovies a baby and hes the size of a frea...Wait! if Clovies a baby and hes the size of a freakin' skyscraper! HOW BIG WOULD HIS MOM BE!Fractaljinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01418025040093271717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-79345159637623464112008-05-10T03:07:00.000-04:002008-05-10T03:07:00.000-04:00What's with all this talk lately of a mother? That...What's with all this talk lately of a mother? That's got to be the worst idea ever. I'd be really pissed off if i went to a theatre to see the Cloverfield sequel and had to sit there for an hour and a half watching some pissed off mother monster seek revenge. JJ never even said Clover was a baby. He said Clover was like a baby confused about it's new surroundings,<BR/><BR/>Clover is simply an evolutionary or genetic mistake that made this creature grow over thousands of years and form into this big monster. Then he's suddenly awaken (possibly by tagruato drilling), he gets scared and confused and rages through New York unaware of what's going on or what everything is. Then Clover is attacked by the military which only adds to his confusion and anger. Eventually Clover is killed by the military, whether at the end of the first movie due to the hammer down or at the end of a sequel is undetermined. No one knows yet. End of story.Jester17https://www.blogger.com/profile/07731916158720497984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3544625628774632998.post-44148886228028505122008-05-09T19:28:00.000-04:002008-05-09T19:28:00.000-04:00I agree with griffinto be honest i did the researc...I agree with griffin<BR/>to be honest i did the research before it came out then quit after i saw it.<BR/>my idea is that the monster, the fearful confused baby, was a missing egg. after it is dead, the mother, still searching for the, lost baby, is aware of whats above.<BR/>maybe something like that but i dunno.<BR/>also in the tidowave website, if someone didnt mention, the picture of the hands squeezing earth resembles the monster "clover"Danny-Punishment is duehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11015701435369945690noreply@blogger.com